CORRECT ME …

Then, of course, we all have to define what we mean by ‘wrong’ …

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53 thoughts on “CORRECT ME …

  1. There’ll be a sufficiency of sages from all walks of life who would define anything, ad infinitum, right or not right, according to subjective views of course. Play safe with an official version which suits the circumstances!

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      1. How much fun do you want; there is a case for the individual knowing for them what is too little, too much or, what is just right. How does a third party work that out. You could have some fun there.

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      2. I sure could … first define what is ‘too little’ … then what is ‘too much’ … and then what is ‘just right’ … and I think I would end up with a version of Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

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      3. Preferably not sticky or gluey … my mother used to make porridge that floated when you added cold milk. We would then be allowed a spoonful of golden syrup, which would sink in the middle so that we could see the bottom of the dish through it. One of those things young children notice – usually without bear accompaniment ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  2. As I often say out in class, if I give the incorrect answer, I’m not wrong, merely testing student were paying attention (actually I do sometimes put up the wrong answer deliberately to do this so partially true).

    When I’m out on the mountains I never get lost, I merely “extend the trip” or “explore other possible routes”.

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  3. I’m afraid Spicey and I have been on the wine and I don’t usually state my case but after reading some of the comments on what I took to be a light hearted post I had to :>>
    We are having an unexpected get together and have spent the last couple of hours putting our world to rights :))

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  4. The evil in man will always find an excuse for their wrongdoing. . . .extremists will always use something as an excuse whatever religion they choose . . . True believers in any religion, or creed will not harm or wish to harm others. . . .this has been going on since time began and until we all can look into our own hearts and banish evil it will continue….hopefully in my lifetime but somehow I doubt it.

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  5. 7″If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” 8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father ‘?ย…

    It could not be clearer….crystal clear ……. that Jesus and God the Father are inexorably mixed and God was on the cross.

    You who love your children so much surely cannot believe that you could want any harm to come to them ( let alone, as Jesus was, be crucified to placate your anger ) .

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    1. David,we’re not discussing what you believe or don’t believe. We’re discussing what Muslims believe about Allah, and how it is different from what Christians believe about God. Yes, Jesus is God. But Muslims do not believe this. This is very relevant to the question you originally asked,about whether Christians and Muslims worship the same God. The answer is, we don’t.

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      1. Absoflippinglutely … I do quite enough wrong things all by myself with nobody helping me … I don’t need extra from other people ๐Ÿ˜‰ :))

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      2. 8| that’s exactly what we used to say as children … and our mother would say ‘and if X told you to go and put your head in a bucket of water would you go and do it???!!!’ … to which the most tempting answer was ‘well, I might’ … :))

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    1. No, it isn’t always clear-cut … ethics is a muddly old business. Even so, the outcry in the west against some of the things happening in the Middle East shows that there are some issues on which our cultures agree.

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  6. How do we decide who is right and who is wrong on matters of religion.

    The Muslims in ISI are convinced they are right to kill infidels by gruesome methods………. and irony of ironies their God is Yahweh !

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    1. No, their God is Allah. And I would like IS to show us where in the Qu’ran their prophet sanctions the killing of children. Extremists are frightening whatever their creed, or lack of it.

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      1. The Allah or God in Islam has 99 attributes, and we would agree with most of them. But the huge missing names are ย“Father of the Lord Jesus Christย” and ย“our heavenly Father.ย” . . .

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      2. Some Christians unthinkingly say ย‘Allah is not God.ย’ This is the ultimate blasphemy to Muslims, and furthermore, it is difficult to understand. Allah is the primary Arabic word for God. It means ย‘The God.ย’ There are some minor exceptions. For example, the Bible in some Muslim lands uses a word for God other than Allah (Farsi and Urdu are examples). But for more than five hundred years before Muhammad, the vast majority of Jews and Christians in Arabia called God by the name Allah. How, then, can we say that Allah is an invalid name for God? If it is, to whom have these Jews and Christians been praying?

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      3. For very many years now, since we worked in the Muslim north of Nigeria in the 70s and 80s, I have thought this a fundamentally important question.

        It’s been a question for many others too. When the Bible was translated into the Hausa language, there was much discussion as to whether the word for God should be translated as ‘Allah’. In the end it was decided against. Instead, the word was translated as ‘Father of all’ – Ubangiji, in Hausa (literally, Father of all households).

        Culture plays a part in such semantic decisions.

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      4. The question seems to me to be whether Abraham was instructed by God to go forth and multiply in both Bible and Quran…………. I will get a copy of the Quran in English and see what it says.
        If creation story etc is same in both then it is reasonable to deduce both worship the same God.

        The actual words will depend on the writer’s understanding of God’s requirements and directions. That’s why I prefer to follow the teaching of the Gospels and treat the Old Testament with great caution.

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      5. I think we need to go into it in far more detail. It needs a careful and detailed study of both books and a comparison of what both teach about God. Also, and to my mind much more important, is the fact that we have the Gospels in which Jesus teaches us much more about God than the Quran can offer, as they insist that Jesus is only a prophet. Once you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, everything changes. It all depends on your viewpoint, your worldview, the tools you bring to interpretation, and your faith.

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      6. But I said that I prefer to rely on the Gospel message and ( sermon on the mount ).

        However if ( and I don’t know yet ) the Abrahamic story is overlapping in both texts that clinches the argument about Allah and Yahweh but not the interpretation ( or the qualities attributed to both.)

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      7. I just said ( above ) that I prefer to rely on the Gospels rather than the Old Testament and especially the sermon on the mount.
        And as we previously discussed God has to be on the cross otherwise God requires the death of his son which is contrary to an all loving God. ( The God of love my shepherd is whose goodness faileth never, I nothing lack if I am his and he is mine for ever ).

        If the Abrahamic story overlaps ( I have yet to establish if it does ) then the name Allah and Yahweh would have started out referring to the same God. The inspiration of writers might diverge as time went by.

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      8. If you believe that God has a son and his name is Jesus, then that makes the true God the Father of Jesus.

        Therefore, if you think about it logically, if you are a member of a faith that does not believe that God has a son, then that means you do not believe that the true God is the Father of Jesus.

        That then poses the question, what status therefore is the God of non-Christians? How can he be ‘the true God’ if they do not believe he is the Father of Jesus?

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      9. You were the one who told me about the Crucified God by Jurgen Boltmann

        God demanding the death of his Son is horrific. An earthly Dad would never do that. It has to be God on the cross. Previously I thought you agreed.

        Jesus when asked ‘ show us the Father ‘ answered to the effect that if you’ve seen me you’ve seen the Father.

        I will look up the exact quote for you.

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      10. I don’t see the relevance to my point, David. It’s not about what you believe or don’t believe. It’s about what Muslims believe about Allah, and what most Christians believe about God.

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      11. You say : Therefore, if you think about it logically, if you are a member of a faith that does not believe that God has a son, then that means you do not believe that the true God is the Father of Jesus.

        I don’t believe a God of love punishes his son by crucifixion to placate his wrath. Jesus was God on the cross………………… your recommendation to me was read The crucified God. The quote I gave you was highly pertinent to my point.

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      12. Again I say, that this discussion is about what Muslims believe about Allah, compared with what Christians believe about God. This isn’t about your own personal difficulties in accepting that Jesus is God’s son. Muslims don’t believe that Allah came to earth in human form. Christians do. This means that the Christian understanding of God, and the Muslim understanding, are very different from each other. This logically then raises the question, which is the ‘true’ understanding? As I said before, the answer will depend on all sorts of factors – academic, theological, experiential, cultural.

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      13. The Qur’an, the central religious text of Islam, contains references to more than fifty people and events also found in the Bible. While the stories told in each book are generally comparable in most respects, important differences sometimes emerge. Anything in the Bible that agrees with the Qur’an is accepted by Muslims, and anything in the Bible that disagrees with the Qur’an is not accepted by Muslims. Many stories in the Bible are not mentioned at all in the Qur’an; with regard to such passages, Muslims are instructed to maintain neutral positions, but to read them and pass them on if they wish to do so.

        Often, stories related in the Qur’an tend to concentrate on the Islamic moral or spiritual significance of events rather than the details.[1]Wikipaedia

        Neither book is a factual account of creation but an explanation in the light of knowledge at the time it was written. Only fundamentalists would think of the early Biblical account as an accurate account of events.
        Jesus on the other hand in the Gospels was a historical figure and we have his instructions on how to conduct ourselves and live in his image.

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      14. The real difficulty is that many people talk about God without definition……….. it’s the clever old man in the sky image which I find so objectionable. The usual attributes of God ( all seeing, all powerful, all loving, ) don’t seem to be present simultaneously as we look at actual events in the world.

        e.g. God sees Israel bombing Gaza, he loves people on all sides , He can intervene, has the power to intervene but doesn’t.

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